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Kook~NBK~ · Aug 08, 2006, 05:05 AM // 05:05

I've said it before, but one way to help end the ignorance about Mesmers is to use SV on your tank once they've drawn aggro. If they spam "I've got SV on me!" You can explain to them that you put it there and what all those little purple 3s flying off their enemies are!

If you've got a "Mesmers suck" type in your party, skip ever other fight for 4 or five battles. People will wonder at first why sometimes the mob is easy, but the next, identical mob, isn't going down as fast - until they see what you are (or are not) doing.

Phoenix Ex · Aug 08, 2006, 05:14 AM // 05:14

What I was saying was that in PVE, there are so many mobs of various different type of classes that a mesmer can never shut them all down...compare to luring 10+ enemies and have ele smash them into oblivion in 10 sec without taking a scratch, if you can shutdown 6 jade brotherhood knight + 4 jade brotherhood mage+ 2 jade brotherhood ritualist, + 1 jadebrotherhood mesmer, you are god. on the other hand, with some pulling and luring the dumb ai into a ball, one meteor shower can do just that.

I am not saying mesmer suck, just that ele and necro and ranger can abuse the dumb AI to do a better job instead.

Two April Mornings · Aug 08, 2006, 05:22 AM // 05:22

mesmers are hated because they can kill anything, and because like evilsod said, enemy mesmers are the worst

Phoenix Ex · Aug 08, 2006, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Too bad in PvE they can't kill anything :P crazy bosses with 1 sec healing sig, insane high energy pool, fast cast spells, ftw :P

jciardha · Aug 08, 2006, 05:29 AM // 05:29

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

Too bad in PvE they can't kill anything :P crazy bosses with 1 sec healing sig, insane high energy pool, fast cast spells, ftw :P

Let's see, if the bosses spam skills and spells like crazy, what does that make them vulnerable to? Backfire and Diversion. My mesmer eats Factions bosses for breakfast, especially since they have no halved hex duration like Prophecies bosses (and even those fall real fast to Wastrel's Worry). Try Altrumm Ruins sometime.

Maybe you just play with mesmers that still cast Backfires on warriors. *eyeroll*

lg5000 · Aug 08, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

Yay! the mes shutdown 3 casters...(2 meteor showers fall)....3 sec everything dies, so is there a point to the shutdown to begin with?

Yes, your monk got bored during that because your team took very little damage.. guess why?

And.. which boss uses heal sig and has endless energy? I'm yet to come across any boss who causes my mes considerable problems

Phoenix Ex · Aug 08, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Well one that I remember well was mungri magicbox in ferndale, and yes I even have diversion, which lasts 3 sec on the boss >.< Not to mention he had 3 dredge gardener with him (probably an underestimate, could be 4 or even 5) :O, couldn't do anything until I got a guildie ele which destroyed them in an instant :P

Edit: Actually it was when I was noob to the map and don't know the patrols so extra monks keep getting in. But hey, that's why eles and necros and ranger are so popular because they can make up for mistakes while mesmer....can't do much.

lg5000 · Aug 08, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56

Heh, that guy normally travels with a gardener. The trick to it is pressure on both monks. (or however many monks appear).

I'm yet to tackle him with my ranger, so can't comment on that, nor on ele or necro, same problem. Had a hard-enough time with my warrior on that one though.

CHUIU · Aug 08, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

Well one that I remember well was mungri magicbox in ferndale, and yes I even have diversion, which lasts 3 sec on the boss >.< Not to mention he had 3 dredge gardener with him (probably an underestimate, could be 4 or even 5) :O, couldn't do anything until I got a guildie ele which destroyed them in an instant :P

Edit: Actually it was when I was noob to the map and don't know the patrols so extra monks keep getting in. But hey, that's why eles and necros and ranger are so popular because they can make up for mistakes while mesmer....can't do much.

Hexes and conditions last their full time on Canthan bosses. Its prophocies bosses that have halved time on them.

Canthan boss bonuses are half casting time and double damage.

The trick to them is to either have someone pressure Mungri while you take out the regular Gardener or put your full pressure on the gardener and eventually kill it then move onto Mungri. Mungri + Gardener is like Willa, any monk pressure technique will work to take them out. (constant knockdown, skill denial, interrupts, or just high damage)

Phoenix Ex · Aug 08, 2006, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Ya, basically I am trying to say that people don't like mesmer that much in ***PVE*** because they can't deal with the unorthodox spawns like multiple monks, they can't deal with huge mobs of casters, they can slow down but can't deal with mobs of melee as well as a necro can...so it isn't pure ignorance and unflashiness that make people stay away...

Assassins have the exact same weakness AND they have to be upclose, at least for a few second to get combo off.

Rururrur · Aug 08, 2006, 06:26 AM // 06:26

Have you ever wondered why your monk stops healing/prot in the middle of a fight? Or why your newb touch skills get disabled for an extra 57 seconds? Domination spells can have nasty effects. Learn patterns in enemy casting and they're easy to shutdown (Power Block a prot monk, no prot for 15 seconds). Throw Diversion on a Toucher and say goodbye to his touch skills for nearly a minute. Diversion on an assassins lead, he's pretty much worthless for a minute after his first combo.

I don't know how many times I've had people tell me, "Mesmer, I hate you." That is the best compliment a mesmer can get.

So yeah, we're hated and loved at the same time.

Age · Aug 08, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by Killaya

I posted this response in another thread, but I will post it here too ^_^

IMHO: Mesmers are the most useful, most versatile class out there. They can easily take out casters. They can be effective in taking down tanks. They can play a fast-cast healing build. Illusionary weapon lets them tank. And y'know, there's even a mesmer Droks running build. Memsers are underrated completely.

However there are few people who actually know how to correctly play a mesmer. But when you do find a good mesmer, they are a valuable asset to the team for sure.

A Droks run where is the build and if that is the case why aren't Necros.Elementalist doing it?I know Monks can do it as I have seen vidos of it but for the most case it is left to the Warriors.Monks would rather be doing something else.A Mesmer can be great duo in the UW or FoW.The thing I hate about Mesmers is all those hexs and spells on me.

dr_james2k · Aug 08, 2006, 06:40 AM // 06:40

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Originally Posted by Markaedw

The biggest problem with mesmers, is that the have no flash effects for them. When my ele hits a guy, we all see it. A mes spins and the guys health goes down, if no one is paying attention no one even sees the mes cast. The only one that knows the mes is killing is the guy being cast on, and he isn't talking.

It so true. On many occasions I get someone in a group going "Drop da mesmer, he aint doing anything" to which I always reply "They look fine, but they're being burnt, internally!" which gets a round of applause.

ogami_ito · Aug 08, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

If I'm doing RA and I see a mesmer, I generally try to be "low profile." Ill attack the opposing warrior, who is chasing after our softy (monk, ele, necro, mes). After my adrenaline skills are charged, I usually then go straight for the mesmer and try to spike kill him. If I was to go straight for the mesmer first, he would kite, degen, and then I'm dead. so basically, to survive, I need to hope that the mesmer does not pay attention to my big bad-ass axe-wielding warrior until I'm charged and ready to go.

Zakarr · Aug 08, 2006, 07:51 AM // 07:51

In PvE, effective mesmers rarely attack to called target unless it is a boss. The main purpose is to catch and interrupt strong spells but you can also convert hexes to energy or damage, spread degen to off-targets or use spells like Empathy with Mantra of Recovery to off-target attackers. Mesmers are good at resurrection because the cast time is shorter if you have spent enough points to Fast Casting. If there is not much enchantment denial, Vengeance is okay with MoR because when the player dies again, you can cast it back, give some energy primary necromancers and a corpse. After the battle, someone uses permanent resurrection on him and only one DP has been applied.

Arcane Mimicry is an interesting skill. You can have temporary two elites but it requires some team work so you actually get an useful skill with this. Mesmers are usually at best when they focus to one or two targets only. Pick your targets wisely if you really want to disable or cripple them rather than spread some humiliation to several targets.

Illusion Weaponry can be nice when there is lots of melee/ranged denying like evade, block, blind, weakness or high armor. The party should realize that IW mesmer takes care of these annoying targets with other spellcasters and warriors,assassins and rangers focus to those they can hit.

Other strategies require a lot more team work. You practically waste your skill slots if party members don't understand what they do and change their behaviour to make those skills useful.

Merlin Munk · Aug 08, 2006, 08:08 AM // 08:08

They aint hated, just misunderstood. They work thiere magic without anyone seeing what they do, so if an enemies goes down fast, then warrior think he is good when empathy,spirit of fail and cong phant has done loads of that damage. When u get too THK, or is stuck on a mission whisp me and I help u. Dont take me wrong, a warrior can be good and take out a target fast too, it is just that they tend too get credit for some of mesmers work too.

See you out there fellow mesmer
Merlin Munk

Jimyd · Aug 08, 2006, 08:22 AM // 08:22

I use my Ele/Mes basically as a Mes/* .

I just work around the non fast casting attribute.

Easy way to get in groups disguised as nuker ele.
Tricks lots of people in pvp.

Though the thing is, alot of mesmer skills are great support skills as secondary, but wouldnt gain alot of benefit from a primary mesmer sacrificing another primary profession.

Plus to me none if the mesmer faces look apealing to me, maybe Nf will release some decent ones.
(Also anet still ahsnt fixed some of the ahirstyle for mesmers, with the weird clipping.)

Slainster · Aug 08, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

Ive started playing a mesmer after running through all the other classes, and I have to say, Im having the most fun to date. I view my mesmer as type of "prep the enemy" character when I play PVE. Im spamming my tab button dumping hexes all over the place, so by the time the warriors etc get there, they are nicely prepped for the slaughter.

However, I will agree with the general thread line, most people dont understand what it is a Mesmer does, and I think unless you have played one, you probably never will fully understand the mechanics behind a mesmer's build. They are great characters for softening up the the enemy hoard, they may not have many AOE spells (at least none ive come across in my limited play time as a Mes), however thats where fast casting and energy management come in.

Cebe · Aug 08, 2006, 08:54 AM // 08:54

I hate mesmers most when I'm facing one. I HATE the Jade Brotherhood mesmers! They're eeevil!

I love playing as my own mesmer...and I am surprised by the amount of people who do value the mesmer, although this occurs more in Tyria I feel. The reason I love playing as a Mesmer in PvE is simple:
1. I'm gonna slow you down.
2. I'm gonna degen your health
3. I'm gonna slowly kill you before you can reach me...
4. Oh, What's that Afflicted Ritualist? You're using Flesh of my Flesh? No No No.....Interrupt!

I agree with whoever said Mesmers + 10 Jade Scarabs = No Go, but with a team in PvE my Mesmer can be really quite effective. It makes me cross when people don't value them as much as other classes.

maxpower · Aug 08, 2006, 09:11 AM // 09:11

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Originally Posted by led-zep

mesmers are fantastic even in pve, ever wonder why the enemies are down to low health and nothing seems to be happening, thats your mesmer

i always thought that was the ss necros work